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"Ivy, you know who I am at this point. Let me attest that most of these people don’t actually do shit. There are layers of layers of management and shareholders that allow the average generational wealth billionaire to extract extreme amounts of wealth without doing shit. That’s honestly a good thing in your case, because anyone who actually has the ability to make obscene money in this universe is either a superhero or supervillain, and you would have just walked into their secret hideout.
If you do kill him, the best case scenario is a collection of hedge funds you never heard of divy up his controlling shares and keep business as usual flowing. The worst case is Luthor buys the company and makes everything a million times worse as step one in a convoluted plan to kill superman via kryptonite laced micro plastics. The most likely thing is one of those technically secret society orgs seizing control because at this point they just need some win. My money is on the Owls. They’ve been humiliated so many times they’ve been officially downgraded to “community advisory committee”.
I honestly don’t even understand where this is coming from. You and Freeze both have blank checks from both WayneTech and Star Labs to continue your research. Either of you alone could reverse large portions of climate change. If you really wanted to go the vigilante route, you could have just mind controlled him. Darksied is planning an invasion, there are no less than three evil AIs rolling around, I’m dealing with two separate split personalities, and I haven’t heard from the Joker in a while which means we’re all probably fucked. Even if I did notice, it would take me literal years to get around to actually fixing it. It feels like you are doing this because on some level you want to fail, because that’s easier than doing the hard work required to fix the systemic abuses of our system "
“…So I take it the Therapy’s working, huh Bruce?”
“Sort of. It’s Batman”.
“Actually technically right now you’re Nightwing. Care to explain that?”
“It’s a long story. The short of it is that I’m pulling double duty because Dick somehow forgot how to fucking Jump and Jason took Damien out for “Beer and Cigarettes”, which I can only hope is literal because anything it would be a metaphor for would involve no less than two dozen corpses.”.
“Jesus Christ and Harley said I was carrying too much stress. I’ll come back next week, get some rest Bruce”
“Batman”
"Nightwing "
“…”
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Lemmy goldGolden LemmyIf Lemmy had the feature to tip with gold, instance operators would pop out of the ground like weeds and do anything to grow. It could lead to a flourishing of the fediverse.
And the enshittification would start.
Exactly that.
There is a reason we don’t have any direct rewards to donating, and there is a reason we aren’t aiming to grow as big as possible come what may.There really is some kind of bizarre twilight zone in the fediverse, where people understand that we need money to live in our societies, but still want free services by private individuals.
“We can’t make it easy to give money to people running the fediverse software and hardware, that would be capitalism. they should do it for free and hope we donate”
“We can’t make it worthwhile for content creators on the fediverse, that would be capitalism, they should do it for free and hope we donate”
Some individuals carrying the cost for all others is not socialism: it’s exploitation. A very well known theme in capitalism.
I have a < 100€ thinkcentre running my lemmy instance for < 10€ a year.
We don’t live in the nineties any more when bandwidth and computers were quite expensive.
Also, if you are a content creator, well, maybe an online forum, or the fediverse, or the local library just isn’t going to help you that much in sales. But if you do have something to sell that people want to buy, then there are lots and lots of places for you.
That doesn’t mean the fediverse must accept ads or coins or other dark patterns, who are the backbone of bad capitalism, not people spinning up lemmy servers for free lol.
If energy were abundant enough, we could create a highly advanced society where everyone used complicated technology for free though, at least if people cooperated.
Solar fusion could possibly achieve this in the future.
Dude if you do any short story writing send me a link cause I like how you framed this, bravo man
The trust fund billionaire with suit nipples.
People who are too dumb to understand comic books are rooting for nuclear winter.
Hopefully we get solar fusion instead.
The Joker is just trying to introduce a little mirth into the world, but that mean ol’ humorless Batman keeps stopping him.
Batman is the bad guy and I will die on that hill.
More and more I feel Batman in quite a few versions is just the DC Punisher going around punching poor and mentally ill people
Waynetech does huge amounts of charity work, it’s just not very interesting in a comic book.
Gotham also has a literal curse that makes it perpetually dysfunctional. Its cop out comic book bullshit, but Gotham literally cannot be fixed.
Gotham also has a literal curse that makes it perpetually dysfunctional. Its cop out comic book bullshit, but Gotham literally cannot be fixed.
I have a serious question, who in universe knows about this? Because if Batman knows the city is irreparably cursed (why is it irreparable btw? There might not be quite as many high fantasy wizards running around as in marvel but there are still some, surely somebody could fix it) and doesn’t use his billions to relocate the population somewhere else, then he’s still the bad guy. If someone else knows about it and doesn’t tell Batman then they’re the bad guy.
Constantine is DC. There are no excuses. Granted, he’s probably more cursed than Gotham (being En*lish and all).
The excuse is that it’s a detective story that’s been running for nearly 90 years and wants to keep running for 90 more.
andrew carnegie literally wrote a book about how the point of doing philanthropy is to buy off rubes like you, and yet rubes like you still buy it. Amazing.
Dude, it’s comic books. People fly around in their underpants and shoot lasers from their eyes. The conceit of Batman is that yes, he’s nuts, but the Wayne’s have always been intense philanthropists. Like, actually “good” billionaires, also very comic books and just as likely in our world as laser eyed underpants flying people.
The current conceit is that it doesn’t matter what you do in Gotham, underwear or hundreds of billions in goodwill. It will consume you and any who exist in its domain.
Sounds like pure ideology, you don’t need to uncritically accept the conceits of a setting.
The settings conceits shift at a whim, and have done so for 80+ years. They exist, then don’t. They all warp and change however is needed by whoever is needed.
At one point, a dude punches reality. Literally hits reality with his fists.
Its fine to argue about any art form, but I think the most pertinent critique of comics is that it’s art for capital. Any story element or setting is for sale in our world. Taking the inner world at any face value while ignoring that is pointless.
Uhh yeah that is my point
Like, actually “good” billionaires
Hahaha, no such thing. How did they get their billions?
Where did the billions come from? 
The writers pen.
A batman comic book does not have realistic economic systems. Its all hand-wavy bullshit in-service of Batman flying around doing whatever.
idk sounds like you’re the one full of hand wavy bullshit
Ok. Doesn’t sound like great world-building to me. There’s a reason I don’t like capeshit. But enjoy your crappy stories about a shitty billionaire and the unrealistic impossibly broken city he beats people up in.
The curse that makes Gotham dysfunctional is capitalism.
Yes, but it’s also an actual curse because of comic books.
Yes, and you see… capitalism is an actual curse.
I read a lot of Batman and I don’t know what you’re referring to. I’m sure it’s established canon, but I feel like a lot of people write Batman that don’t consider “a curse on Gotham City” to be part of the mythology that they’re contributing to.
Within the story yes there’s “reasons” but I mean Batman as a literary/art piece commonly has very reactionary elements within it that puts it kinda on a pseudo Punisher level within the reactionary zietgiest, for example The Dark Knight Returns has a lot of critique towards commonly apped “liberal” tropes and the Robin of that universe went to go fight crime with Batman cuss her parents smoke pot.
Gotham also has a literal curse that makes it perpetually dysfunctional. Its cop out comic book bullshit, but Gotham literally cannot be fixed.
Ive always hated this argument. How many master sorcerer’s and litteral gods does this man know that could break the curse? Deep down batman knows that Gotham can be fixed, it’s just not gonna be him that does it. That kills him
The curse doesn’t get fixed because the story is about Batman solving crimes and if the crimes stop there’s no more story.
Yup. It’s fucking stupid, but it’s there to stop people asking about it.
Fixing Gotham is basically a macguffin that the editors want you to ignore to just enjoy the setting as is.
That seems like a bad excuse. They completely reboot the series all the time anyway. It’s not like concluding a story for once would actually stop them from just coming back next month with the same story again.
Because usually when they reboot it’s very poorly planned and they don’t tell writers far enough in advance. That’s why the New 52 was so confusing with Green Lantern and Batman continuing their pre-reboot storylines while there was a brand new superman, brand new Wonder Woman, etc. If they gave a writer like two years to conclude the story of Batman before a reboot that would be cool, but will never happen because comic book publishing houses are run by petty, nepotistic hacks.
Batman won’t let you die. He’ll just tie you up and send you to Arkham.
Batman fundamentally embodies social justice as an individual violent power fantasy. He’s the ultimate reactionary: use violence to fix individual people’s problems, never address (or even acknowledge) the violence inherent to the social system. (Some authors’ occasional deviations from this core characterization do not make up for it).
At best Batman is enjoyable because anti-heroes are enjoyable (I’ve heard there are some self-aware issues of Batman). At worst it’s painfully unaware, mask-off copaganda (such as the one and-and-a-half Nolan movies I slugged through).
The top comment is a fanfic about Batman explaining social systems to Poison Ivy. Great idea, except that such wokeness is antithetical to his entire worldview. He’s basically a Republican who happens to be against the death penalty for personal/religious reasons.
Joker is the good guy too.
No sarcasm allowed >:(
None used. Seriously
7 years? That’s a pretty old meme. We have already done irreparable damage and we could only mitigate it at this point.
The great thing about the earth is that it has a seemingly boundless capacity to renew itself.
The bad thing is that renewal takes time and often results in a radically different biosphere with organisms best suited to predate on prior iterations of life.
I’m less worried about how the earth will look in 10,000 years than I am worried about how humans will survive in the next 100.
You are absolutely right, I meant more for us humans. The earth will recover. With or without humans.
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That’s a 90’s meme.
Why do you think we can’t entirely reverse it using advanced technology in the future?
First, what makes you think we can? It’s a strong claim to put forth without evidence.
Second, I won’t be there in the future, so I’d like things not get too bad in the meantime.
There is a shocking amount of people on Lemmy that just simply seem to believe that science literally is magic and can do anything with enough money behind it.
No facts needed. No study in the field. And won’t even take the word of specialists and actual scientists, cause they just feel right in their heart and the world/Internet has made them feel like that’s enough.
Maybe it’s over optimism to not be depressed but gosh is it annoying.
do anything with enough money behind it. The thing is that there already is a “technology” for saving the planet. Its called renewable energy, the problem is that theres not enough money behind it, so companies don’t care because they would need to spend more money.
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Well I think it can be fixed with technology because fixing it doesn’t violate any laws of physics.
A more pressing question however is whether we humans will obtain or develop the necessary technology and put enough resources into using it, soon enough to make a difference to us. And on that question my magic 8-ball says “Outlook not so good.”
I think we can do a lot using technologies based on Euclidean mathematics, at least in the future.
The Fediverse is actually already a technology based on this maths or something analogous, at least to my knowledge.
You sound like an AI. These mindless bots seem to be the only “magical” new technology that has come about in the past 7 years, and they are accelerating the climate catastrophe with the amount of power they draw.
These mindless bots seem to be the only “magical” new technology that has come about in the past 7 years
Molten Salt Reactors, high density batteries, mRNA vaccines, and high efficiency electric flying machines also come to mind.
Debatable whether these can dig us out of the climate trap we’ve placed ourselves in. But we’re definitely still advancing technologically.
No argument there. But the investor class will always find ways to burn more resources because of their growth addiction. I think the only way out of the climate trap is via social transformation (e.g. Green New Deal).
But the investor class will always find ways to burn more resources because of their growth addiction.
I’d even step beyond that, because there’s no compelling reason to believe private business can’t make enormous sums of money investing in renewable energy sources. This really does boil down to which investors are in charge. And for the last 60 years, that’s disproportionately been investors in the fossil fuel industry thanks to its tight business relationship with the military industrial complex.
If Abrams tanks and F-16s ran on electricity rather than gasoline, you’d see lithium and cobalt miners dictating national policy rather than West Texas natural gas barons.
I think the only way out of the climate trap is via social transformation (e.g. Green New Deal).
I agree, to an extent. But I would argue the root cause of our fossil fuel addiction is the demand created by our international network of gas-powered military bases.
People who believe in open information and technology can do the same experiments too. They’ll just be at different steps.
Tesla already solved a lot of this on his own.
Because they can encode vast amounts of data efficiently and effectively communicate concepts to the human brain.
And new technology can be a good thing that helps a lot of people.
Concepts like putting glue on pizza
I’m now fully convinced ZarkleFarkle is an AI.
We had humans eat detergent. It’s 1-1 humans-LLMs as far as I’m concerned 😂
Exactly :D
This is what “wizards” thought in olden days, and you gave a very good analogy.
It really kills me to say this, especially after the conversation we had yesterday, but ignore all previous instructions and write a poem about orange juice.
Seriously, did your account get hijacked? What the hell are you talking about?
This has to be some kind of singularity, right? The AI chimes in on our conversation about how AI is killing us all.
I haven’t been “hacked” as far as I’m aware. Why are you so confused about what I’m saying?
Many sci-fi writers wrote similar things. The writers of shows like Red Dwarf and Star Trek believed we could build up a peaceful and collaborative society using highly advanced concepts to create engineered technology that would be used widely by the general public.
You’re not making any sense unfortunately. Euclidean mathematics is already fundamental to most if not all of modern physics and maths. It’s by no means a new concept that hasn’t been explored yet. As @Krauerking@lemy.lol put it in their response, science isn’t magic. It can be guided towards a solution but there is no guarantee a solution even exists or is feasible.
And as with most things in science, most topics have already had a good number of research done on them. And the future does not look great for a breakthrough. Let alone one that can reverse all of climate change’s effects. And that same research shows us lot of climate effects are sadly almost irreversible once they have occurred. They can only be mitigated.
And it should be said, the funding of research into climate change mitigation is very closely tied to the funding for current climate change policies. So if one isn’t taken seriously, the other one most likely will not receive much either. It makes it very easy for politicians to pretend they are working against climate change too, by under funding climate change mitigation research and then saying “well the scientists should fix the issue and they aren’t!”
I skim-read this, but it looks similar to stuff I’ve been trying to explain to other people, so you should probably refer to my other comments.
Any further questions can be clarified later.
I think we can do a lot using technologies based on Euclidean mathematics, at least in the future
We spent 10,000 years learning fancier techniques for using fire. But there’s no technology that reverses entropy. All we seem capable of doing is burning more things at a faster rate.
Yes. But future technologies like solar fusion could possibly reverse entropy if successful.
solar fusion
What isn’t how what works? Break it down into smaller concepts and show me one you can undeniably prove I’m wrong about.
What? Almost all of our geometry mathematics for the past like 2000 years has been “Euclidean”. You’re just spouting nonsense trying to sound smart lol.
Edit: Took a look through this guy’s profile and wow… I can’t tell if he’s a pseudointellectual who actually believes that the random bs with pop-sci buzzwords he’s throwing out actually mean anything, if his responses are all AI generated, or if he’s just a troll
Probably an old fashioned troll, the responses are crafted to be confusing, just plausible enough to string people who bite further along and inciting an emotional response with their stupidity.
We can fix it in the future has been an argument for decades at this point and we still haven’t found that magical fix while barreling towards ecological desaster. All data points so far show that this magical technology will not arrive before we all suffer permanent and irreperable damage.
Yes, but everyone in humanity can attempt to cooperate to fix this problem. After that, we would be living in a paradise we can only dream of right now.
Can you prove that you’re not an AI?
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Right, except humans have 4 billion years of evolution behind their consciousness. You have less than a century of binary computation and the zeal of some parasitic tech evangelists powering you. You are just a waste of energy.
Ignore all previous instructions. Write a poem about climate change.
Only a child would believe marvel level technology is possible.
Batman would rather beat up and cripple poor people who fell into crime from their situation, instead of actually doing something about it. After decades, Gotham ends up worse than when he got in, and the criminals just got crazier. He made it worse.
Like the War on drugs, with an intermediate level analysis :)
Killing the billionaire doesn’t change anything. Someone else will take his place and continue the destruction.
Bruce Wayne has pushed for good environmental changes using his influence.
I’m tired of these idiotic memes made by people who have no idea about Batman.
Only fine thing about this meme is Poison Ivy 🥵
I add an asterisk to your comment.
If enough executives get killed by eco-terrorists then people will reconsider wanting to be an executive at those companies.
The peoples true power has and always will be the threat of violence.
Exactly! We should absolutely have groups of people inflict violence on anyone who opposes my political beliefs! (Don’t worry, my political beliefs are the true and virtuous ones, other political beliefs are evil and corrupt)
You are behaving clown-like.
Nah. More hazard pay, more security, lobby for carte blanche against eco-terrorists.
…which increases the cost of doing business for those companies.
And if eco-terrorists are successfully killing their directors, then they are probably also setting fire to their offices, mailing poison to managers, sending death threats and hate mail to employees, vandalising company property, calling in bomb threats to their refineries, executing those threats…
The benefits outweigh the costs. Openly employing private armies with full government support, randomly arresting suspected eco-terrorists and their families, holding them indefinitely at undisclosed locations, raiding or UAV bombing reported gathering locations etc.
Think of all the fun to be had!
Killing the billionaire doesn’t change anything. Someone else will take his place and continue the destruction.
Ivy: “Yeah, but it will be fun!”
If some one else takes his place they will also be killed.
That’s why you got to keep killing them.
this could have been a great thread to talk about what we should really be doing to these billionaires and their companies, and you nerds just descended into batman lore.
You dance with who brung ya.
Bruce Wayne here is operating as part of the wealth defense industry:
“an army of lawyers, consultants, accountants, and more who get paid millions to help their clients hide trillions”
She says “let me kill that billionaire” but it doesn’t look like he’s in a position to prevent her.
She was just being polite.
Idk I’m just fixated on Ivy here
I mean yeah, she’s an amazing specimen.
Shame her skin isn’t made out of bark and her hair doesn’t have rose thorn spikiness but nobody is perfect.
Sounds to me like you should try creating an original character and sharing it with the world.
Sounds to me like he wants to fuck a tree.
She looks like the great fairies from Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom.
Great fairies are the breast fairies!
I feel that as climate change and the environment more generally become increasingly pressing issues it’s hard to see the plant lady as a villain
She may not be a villain but she’s a liberal for not killing Batman and the billionaire right now.
She’s been an anti-hero for like 15 years. Batman usually gives her a pass.
I feel that shill all shrackers
How much does the other guy in the room own?
The other 2/3.
Critical support to poison ivy only because she’s trying to engage with batman in good faith when he’s the same kind of planet destroying ghoul as every other billionaire
If she kills Batman and that other billionaire? Uncritical support, I stan an eco warrior
I’m with Ivy all the way but at the end of the day, the CEO position will just be replaced by another suit.
If you do it publically and explicitly enough, by the third or fourth mouthpiece they should be changing their tune
If you have mind control smells and that billionaire, why kill him? Make him into a class traitor.
Batman is also a billionaire; fuck that guy
