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Haha yeah this thread has been insane. I think the Fediverse needs a decentralized vetting system for this so we don’t go the way of Twitter.

Right, except humans have 4 billion years of evolution behind their consciousness. You have less than a century of binary computation and the zeal of some parasitic tech evangelists powering you. You are just a waste of energy.

This has to be some kind of singularity, right? The AI chimes in on our conversation about how AI is killing us all.

How many posts did you need to plagiarize to train that response? A million? A billion? A human would object to being called a machine.

I largely agree with you, with the caveat that we need to separate climate emergency from growth addiction and capitalism at large if we’re going to talk about the military industrial complex.

We will inevitably end our reliance on fossil fuels because even an intransigent sect of fossil fuel barons will eventually fall prey to free market economics. And then we’ll have a bunch of great power competition incentivizing carbon-free military tech, and we’ll be desalinating the oceans to build our sodium battery-powered UAVs whose autonomous targeting systems are trained by blowing up coral atolls.

I hope you see my point. Joel Kovel did a masterful job laying this out in The Enemy of Nature (2008). When I say social revolution, I mean some way to organize society so that we can get the psychopaths out of positions of power, i.e. a society that rewards cooperation instead of competition.

Shut up, AI. Nobody here is listening to your binary word vomit.

Can you prove that you’re not an AI?

It’s an AI. It’s just pretending to understand you.

I’m now fully convinced ZarkleFarkle is an AI.

No argument there. But the investor class will always find ways to burn more resources because of their growth addiction. I think the only way out of the climate trap is via social transformation (e.g. Green New Deal).

You sound like an AI. These mindless bots seem to be the only “magical” new technology that has come about in the past 7 years, and they are accelerating the climate catastrophe with the amount of power they draw.

For me it’s not helpful to be clinical about suicide, to treat it as a pathology to be treated or cured. It’s an existential question. Not thinking about dying, not killing oneself, is just as much of an action as thinking about suicide or committing it. As a society, we have normalized the former and stigmatized the latter. Objectively, though, we decide to not kill ourselves every time we wake up and go about our day. I’m just someone who accepts and engages with this choice.

I decide to be alive because I usually have hope for the future. Sometimes I don’t, and I consider the alternatives. This is impossible to create a product for because my feelings are tied to the health of the planet. The biggest things contributing to my “suicidal ideation” are the extinction rate, the rising CO2 level in the atmosphere, and the retreat of the alpine glaciers.

How about you only have to work 28.8 hours a week?

Yeah see here you go. Response to “meat is bad” is “meat is fucking awesome.”

Evidence for meat is bad: I mean just drive by a factory farm. Look at any of the standard practices of the industry. Objectively horrific by any standard.

Evidence for meat is awesome: bro check out this sick bacon weave. Guy Fieri. Etc. all of it divorced completely from the process, and acknowledging meat only as an industrial product that comes packaged as a block or cylinder.

It’s an absurd argument. Nobody is arguing that meat isn’t delicious. We’re saying that everything about its production is awful.

I love how people try to make this some kind of cultural issue about picking restaurants or providing options. Anybody who spends 5 minutes looking into the industry will realize it goes against basic human decency.

Well, capitalism has been hinted at here, but as far as I can see, nobody has suggested that we try to change society so that it’s less oppressive. I realized a while ago that profit doesn’t motivate me, and it sounds like you might have as well. I suggest (in addition to following the excellent medical advice) that you seek out your local socialist organization. Life doesn’t have to be this depressing.