• EmperorHenry@discuss.tchncs.de
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    7 months ago

    or itcould take several hours

    only if you have a shitty computer full of garbage. My windows updates only take 2 minutes or less. even feature updates only take about 4 minutes to reboot.

    Windows is only shitty if you don’t know how to use it. Just because you know what the buttons do doesn’t mean you know how to use it.

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          You have to cut Microsoft some slack on mandatory updates. They’re still traumatized from the XP era when they were the platform of choice for botnets and “Windows security” was a laughing stock.

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            Tbh, if Linux had the same user base as windows had back then a large amount of people would postpone any update indefinitely and we’d be in the same shit.

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              Yeah it’s a different game when your user base is tech savvy and self-selecting. When you have to deal with a billion non-technical people you have to be a lot more protective.

              But even so Linux seems miles ahead. It’s Microsoft who should be the most motivated to add things like AppArmor, Flatpak, immutable system, curated app repos, executable as a filesystem attribute etc. They’re doing none of that, they plateaued at UAC and bundling their own antivirus.

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                executable as a filesystem attribute

                This already exists. It’s labeled as “Traverse folder / execute file” in the UI.

                NTFS permissions are also more powerful than the default Linux permission system. Instead of just being able to define permissions for a single user and single group, you can define them for an arbitrary number of users and groups.

                I say “default Linux permission system” because you can actually use ACLs on Linux (getfacl and setfacl commands), they’re just not used by default. They used to be common in businesses and schools, but these days everyone seems to store their files “in the cloud” and the permissions are managed there instead.

                curated app repos

                This is what the Windows store is supposed to be. There’s also WinGet, but I’m not sure if it’s curated.

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                  NTFS permissions are just needlessly complicated and convoluted and create more problems than they solve for desktop use. They’re more for server use, but then again, so are ACLs on Linux. If Windows would just use simple permissions like Linux does, it’d be a hell of a lot better.

                  The Windows store is also a sandboxed, heavily restricted pile of trash you can’t even get at for most of its apps. And Winget has so many issues from its install scripts not working right to just being outright broken that it’s not worth using. Even flatpak installs can be easily modified and used normally.

                  The excuses for using obsolete Windows continues by its paid shills and brainwashed users. Give it up.

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                    The Windows store is also a sandboxed, heavily restricted pile of trash you can’t even get at for most of its apps.

                    They changed that around the tine Windows 11 was released. Regular Win32 apps can be listed in there.

                    NTFS permissions are just needlessly complicated and convoluted and create more problems than they solve for desktop use.

                    What’s an example of a problem they create?

                    If Windows would just use simple permissions like Linux does

                    I don’t think using an antiquated permission system from the 1970s is the solution to anything. Being able to set permissions for only a single user and single group is very limiting, especially when there’s background processes that run as other users. There’s a reason later revisions of POSIX added ACLs.

                    The excuses for using obsolete Windows continues by its paid shills and brainwashed users.

                    lol I’m not a paid shill nor a brainwashed user; I just see pros and cons for all operating systems. Linux-based OSes do some things better, and Windows-based OSes do other things better. Even MacOS has its pros.