It is a commonly held belief that cars bring freedom and independence, but the reality may be the opposite. Car dependent cities are Orwellian in many aspect...
Yeah but all taxis look the same, most have a monopoly or at best an oligopoly in major cities. Doesn't that "rob us of our individualism?" and ability to break free of massive corporations/governments?
Why rely on yet another corporation for a car when I can just use my own at any time on a whim?
Right, leave it to our very efficient and trustworthy governments to create non restrictive 15 min cities that everyone will enjoy lol. What could go wrong?
This ideology could be astroturfed fossil fuel propaganda, but electric cars are being mandated in most countries. Fossil fuel corps won't hold on to a battle they're already losing.
The 15 min city "conspiracy theory" comes from people not wanting government over reach, especially since these govs are considering centralized digital currencies. This needs to be addressed.
Otherwise we're going to trade one dystopia for another.
I never said roads, I said car centric infrastructure. You can have roads without being car centric. And elaborating on that, car centric infrastructure restrict the movement on everyone who don't drive, for example poor people who can't afford a car, gas, insurance… or younger people who can't drive yet, or older and people with disabilities that can't safely drive.
How does it impede on those who can't drive? Because they're not allowed to move as freely as someone with a car? How would taking away everyone's car help that scenario?
have you ever been to an American city? everything is at the service of roads, cars, and space to park the cars. we have thoroughfares through residential neighborhoods, monstrous intersections that are unsafe to cross by foot, infrastructure that's unsafe to use by any mode of transportation that isn't a car – because the cars will run you over – and it's all wildly more expensive and less efficient than a functioning public transportation system. think of it like this – if more people can get where they need to go by public transit, the roads won't be so congested.
Right, the road won't be so congested, but you have to run on a specific schedule and only go to specific places.
You have to pay for all of this somehow too, be it through fares at a toll or taxed by your gov. It won't be any cheaper running transit. Maybe even more expensive, because they still have to maintain the roads, but now the cost of vehicle repair is on the gov/Corp and not the individual. More tolls or more taxes.
Car centric infrastructure makes everything apart, so you can't walk anywhere, public transit is unfeasible because the low density, and biking is extremely dangerous. They are not only not allowed to move "as freely", they cannot movebat all. I don't know where you get this "taking everyone's car", you're the only one talking about it. You can can have infrastructure that is inclusive to everyone, even people with cars.
Yeah but all taxis look the same, most have a monopoly or at best an oligopoly in major cities. Doesn't that "rob us of our individualism?" and ability to break free of massive corporations/governments?
Why rely on yet another corporation for a car when I can just use my own at any time on a whim?
Again, the point is more about car dependence. Why be forced into driving everywhere when you could have other options available?
The solution to car dependence is to depend on another corporation gate keeping the cars?
Help me unsee the irony here
The solution is in the video… It's walkable, cycle-able cities with good public transport.
Right, leave it to our very efficient and trustworthy governments to create non restrictive 15 min cities that everyone will enjoy lol. What could go wrong?
lmao nice conspiracy theory
I'll relieve you of this debate so you can return to your regularly scheduled echo chamber time. Sorry to disturb.
I'd be happy to continue to discuss this with you, but please keep your fossil fuel funded conspiracy nonsense out of it.
This ideology could be astroturfed fossil fuel propaganda, but electric cars are being mandated in most countries. Fossil fuel corps won't hold on to a battle they're already losing.
The 15 min city "conspiracy theory" comes from people not wanting government over reach, especially since these govs are considering centralized digital currencies. This needs to be addressed.
Otherwise we're going to trade one dystopia for another.
Gas companies are the biggest oligopoly. How can you "break free" from those corporations when you depend on a car to basic subsistence?
Yeah agreed, I'm all for getting rid of them too. Restricting peoples movement isn't the answer though
Like the restriction of movement car centric infrastructure impose kver everyone that dosen't bow to big oil and big auto.
What? Can you elaborate on how roads impose restricted movement on everyone?
I never said roads, I said car centric infrastructure. You can have roads without being car centric. And elaborating on that, car centric infrastructure restrict the movement on everyone who don't drive, for example poor people who can't afford a car, gas, insurance… or younger people who can't drive yet, or older and people with disabilities that can't safely drive.
How does it impede on those who can't drive? Because they're not allowed to move as freely as someone with a car? How would taking away everyone's car help that scenario?
have you ever been to an American city? everything is at the service of roads, cars, and space to park the cars. we have thoroughfares through residential neighborhoods, monstrous intersections that are unsafe to cross by foot, infrastructure that's unsafe to use by any mode of transportation that isn't a car – because the cars will run you over – and it's all wildly more expensive and less efficient than a functioning public transportation system. think of it like this – if more people can get where they need to go by public transit, the roads won't be so congested.
Right, the road won't be so congested, but you have to run on a specific schedule and only go to specific places.
You have to pay for all of this somehow too, be it through fares at a toll or taxed by your gov. It won't be any cheaper running transit. Maybe even more expensive, because they still have to maintain the roads, but now the cost of vehicle repair is on the gov/Corp and not the individual. More tolls or more taxes.
Car centric infrastructure makes everything apart, so you can't walk anywhere, public transit is unfeasible because the low density, and biking is extremely dangerous. They are not only not allowed to move "as freely", they cannot movebat all. I don't know where you get this "taking everyone's car", you're the only one talking about it. You can can have infrastructure that is inclusive to everyone, even people with cars.