I understand what you’re saying, and I’m not misreading you. You say their efforts are mocked, but you don’t actually know what their efforts actually are to make that claim. I know that you’re trying to say people are being hypocritical by supporting PSL while disavowing their what their actual actions are when sepparated from that context, but you’ve got it flipped, people support their actual actions and that’s why they support them, and you’re confused on what they actually are.
Secondly, you had clear numbers, it shouldn’t be hard to find a source for them. Socialist countries have overwhelming support, polling is consistent, and most that lived in the USSR want it back. Revolution cannot succeed without overwhelming support of the masses.
I am operating in good faith, just because we seem to be at an impasse doesn’t mean either of us is bad-faith. Not all disagreements are a result of one party being bad-faith.
I didn’t say I suspected bad faith for disagreeing.
Revolutions are different than the governments they produces decades later. The Bolshevik revolution, for example, did not come anywhere close to overwhelming support when it was happening.
The October Revolution was supported by the many workers and peasants, they didn’t exactly hold a census beforehand but it only succeeded because of mass support.
I understand what you’re saying, and I’m not misreading you. You say their efforts are mocked, but you don’t actually know what their efforts actually are to make that claim. I know that you’re trying to say people are being hypocritical by supporting PSL while disavowing their what their actual actions are when sepparated from that context, but you’ve got it flipped, people support their actual actions and that’s why they support them, and you’re confused on what they actually are.
Secondly, you had clear numbers, it shouldn’t be hard to find a source for them. Socialist countries have overwhelming support, polling is consistent, and most that lived in the USSR want it back. Revolution cannot succeed without overwhelming support of the masses.
I am operating in good faith, just because we seem to be at an impasse doesn’t mean either of us is bad-faith. Not all disagreements are a result of one party being bad-faith.
I didn’t say I suspected bad faith for disagreeing.
Revolutions are different than the governments they produces decades later. The Bolshevik revolution, for example, did not come anywhere close to overwhelming support when it was happening.
The October Revolution was supported by the many workers and peasants, they didn’t exactly hold a census beforehand but it only succeeded because of mass support.