Proving your claim is your problem, and it would be trivial to just name the people you’re talking about if you actually cared about what they believed. But you’d rather keep being mad and getting other people mad about this type of person that only exists in your head.
Yogthos, Cowbee, Davel, Dessalines, Linkerbaan, off the top of my head.
Not that burden of proof was on me, since your claim is the absolute, from improbable ignorance. Like there’s no reason ML has this reputation. Zero MLs do the thing everyone expects from ML! It is a miracle.
And I worry that that phrasing hews too close to your strawman, where “some” means “all.” If some ML who’s merely a serial annoyance insists they’re not a tankie fundamentalist, then there is no such person.
Why am I bothering. You think pointing to theory means nobody could act differently.
Revolutionaries don’t say that anything less than revolution is worthless, we just point out how electoralism cannot solve the fundamental problems of capitalist society. We also don’t say that revolution fixes everything overnight, it merely allows us to start building and developing socialism, with all of the difficulties and new problems we face when that happens. We also don’t baselessly say revolution is coming any minute or anything, just that as capitalism decays it grows more and more likely, which is reflected in crisis and more violent reaction, like we are seeing with the Trump admin.
Overall, you seem dead-set on misinterpreting MLs. I think if you made an effort to engage with us, you’d better understand why we say the things we do.
He can slander them and make strawmen but as soon as they’re invited to the same stage now it’s evil. Weird how one can create strawmen but can’t deal with the actual people.
I’d rather not mention the org I work with by name for my own security reasons, plus my involvement is limited for now so it would lean more stolen valor until I can increase my involvement.
Give proven trolls endless chances, says infuriating dingus. Surely recognizing someone’s an asshole based on how they act over and over and over is the same thing as prejudice.
You’re not allowed to have an opinion unless you can show me receipts, right now.
I’m not a troll, anyone can go through my post and comment history and tell that I put a serious effort into learning and studying theory, discussing it with others, and in recent months have begun doing actual org work IRL (though limited for now). I’m often called a troll as ad hominem meant to discredit anything I say, but that’s just not accurate. It’s just easy to reduce me to a troll to justify not actually listening to what I say, I suppose.
You’re doing it right now. If you think that’s what MLs here believe, @ them and ask them if they believe this.
It would be really weird if marxist leninists didn’t read Lenin or derived works.
‘I am explicitly talking about highly visible people not necessarily present.’
‘Well I don’t see them present.’
This is not a me problem.
And every Christian is super good about what Jesus said.
Proving your claim is your problem, and it would be trivial to just name the people you’re talking about if you actually cared about what they believed. But you’d rather keep being mad and getting other people mad about this type of person that only exists in your head.
Yogthos, Cowbee, Davel, Dessalines, Linkerbaan, off the top of my head.
Not that burden of proof was on me, since your claim is the absolute, from improbable ignorance. Like there’s no reason ML has this reputation. Zero MLs do the thing everyone expects from ML! It is a miracle.
And I worry that that phrasing hews too close to your strawman, where “some” means “all.” If some ML who’s merely a serial annoyance insists they’re not a tankie fundamentalist, then there is no such person.
Why am I bothering. You think pointing to theory means nobody could act differently.
Revolutionaries don’t say that anything less than revolution is worthless, we just point out how electoralism cannot solve the fundamental problems of capitalist society. We also don’t say that revolution fixes everything overnight, it merely allows us to start building and developing socialism, with all of the difficulties and new problems we face when that happens. We also don’t baselessly say revolution is coming any minute or anything, just that as capitalism decays it grows more and more likely, which is reflected in crisis and more violent reaction, like we are seeing with the Trump admin.
Overall, you seem dead-set on misinterpreting MLs. I think if you made an effort to engage with us, you’d better understand why we say the things we do.
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Any of yall wanna talk about whatever orgs you’re part of? This guy seems to think yall just sit around waiting for a revolution.
Gonna skip Dessalines, since he literally wrote Lemmy, I think that counts as organizing.
He can slander them and make strawmen but as soon as they’re invited to the same stage now it’s evil. Weird how one can create strawmen but can’t deal with the actual people.
I’d rather not mention the org I work with by name for my own security reasons, plus my involvement is limited for now so it would lean more stolen valor until I can increase my involvement.
Oh fuck off, don’t drag the tankies I’ve blocked into a thread talking shit about them. What an amazing idea for constructive conversation!
So you want to dismiss them but don’t want to actually have them combat your strawmen? Good idea, surely you’re not posting your ass by doing this.
“I have invited multiple bad-faith addicts to harass you. Be grateful! This is your fault!”
People defending themselves after you told other people they believe a bunch of shit you just made up isn’t harassing you.
You’re totally not acting in bad faith at all here, not at all.
Well that’s a wonderful way to make sure your preconceived notions can never be altered by evidence.
Give proven trolls endless chances, says infuriating dingus. Surely recognizing someone’s an asshole based on how they act over and over and over is the same thing as prejudice.
You’re not allowed to have an opinion unless you can show me receipts, right now.
I’m not a troll, anyone can go through my post and comment history and tell that I put a serious effort into learning and studying theory, discussing it with others, and in recent months have begun doing actual org work IRL (though limited for now). I’m often called a troll as ad hominem meant to discredit anything I say, but that’s just not accurate. It’s just easy to reduce me to a troll to justify not actually listening to what I say, I suppose.