Mint is on the other hand the most popular in the world

I agree completely. I could see an argument for one instance that is shown globally via screens or whatnot as each year passes, but other than that it is such an enormous amount of unnecessary wastage.

I did already tell you that’s not my aim here. I live somewhere with those concrete policies already, so it can’t be impossible. I simply told you you’re an abhorrent person, nothing else. The general sentiment in this thread seems to be in agreement with me.

This also has the added benefit of wasting your time.

Who’s the one with the lacking reading comprehension, again?

What I find funny is you trying to defend an indefensible point of view with nothing but stubbornness and bad semantics.

We all know what you think by now, it’s glaringly obvious. I simply refuse to even acknowledge your demented talking points because they lead to endless monologue about how it’s impossible to fix shit because reasons. Not even valid reasons either, but bad faith bullshit that a child can see through at this point.

You have to understand that nobody gives a shit about you licking the boots of rich assholes. I refuse to believe you’re dumb enough to think otherwise.

But hey, I’ve been wrong before.

You think people living on the brink of starvation are funny?

I guess that tracks with your view of the world.

Those same “economic experts” that, again, perpetuate the late stage capitalism bullshit we apparently can’t do without, because reasons?

Yeah, I bet you agree with those. No doubt.

Do you have a single original thought in your head, or is it all just demented talking points?

I’d argue that you’re the one living in some sort of Rand-esque lala-land.

I mean, it almost sounds like you believe yourself to be some sort of benevolent economic Ubermensch or something. It’s quite jarring.

I never said I had any plans to implement any of this. I just wanted to call you out on your bullshit.

If your logic was sound, which it isn’t, understanding something would be the same thing as agreeing with it.

I understand your text, I just don’t agree with the underlying motion. I don’t understand how or why a functional adult would have your opinions.

Maybe you’re young and/or delusional, maybe you’re some sort of bad actor or perhaps you just don’t give a shit about other people. Whichever it is it’s coming through pretty blatantly.

As other people pointed out, you’re taking the “politically correct” way, but it still leads to the same endgame.

You know who else avoids ever having to change things by saying it’s impossible?

I’ll help you; it’s the ones profiting from the current system and for some reason you’re defending that system and the ones that perpetuate it.

You questioned my reading comprehension several times and I’d dare say that qualifies as a personal attack. The problem isn’t my comprehension, it’s your half-assed rhetoric.

I didn’t expect you to do anything else than continue that particular charade, and you didn’t disappoint.

You’re not doing anything original though, you sound juuuust like all the other temporarily embarrassed millionaires (and real ones, for that matter) that vote against anything even remotely humane.

Free lunch for the children? Fuck no. A wage you can prosper on? Think of the shareholders! Adequate nutrition? Eat cake, or something. etc.

You may think your arguments are completely normal, but they are anything but, no matter how much bullshit you try to spin. It’s pretty telling that all your arguments so far have been personal attacks and not much else.

After all I’m just one of those poor people that doesn’t know his place, right?

Nah, it’s you. Hiding your argument behind semantics and policy is even worse than coming out and saying you think all the poor people should die - at least then you’d be honest, instead of these theatrics.

Sure, that isn’t hard at all, unless you got your head stuck up your ass.

You question the need to have adequate nutrition, access to affordable (or preferably free, as it is here) childcare, affordable housing and transport and to top it off, you seem to have something against a wage you can actually live on, instead of barely getting by month-to-month.

So yes, you definitely dehumanize a vast majority of the human beings that try to survive on this planet, and you do it in a really ugly way, too.

Shame on you.

The way you dehumanize people is pretty abhorrent.

What the fuck?

If it wasn’t apparent already, we don’t live on the same continent. We live in completely different worlds.

The biggest threat here is getting mugged by some youngster with a knife that’ll get caught within 15 minutes.

If I lived over there I’d be carrying too. Here? Here we leave our babies to sleep outside safely.

Yes, I understood that point. It’s just not widely shared outside of the US. I personally wouldn’t mind having something for self defense, but I’m in a minority and it comes from living a rough life when younger. Luckily the risk of running into an armed intruder here is just about zero anyway. It’s just another world, really.

…and I think you’re smart enough to know there’s no outshooting any government, no matter the country.

I agree in principle, and the fee in itself isn’t expensive. It’s the fact that you need to buy a safe with a high enough security rating (which they actually do come to check on randomly) and then also another secure place to store ammo in. Legally they have to be separated when not in use.

After that you need an active membership in either a hunting party or a gun sports club, and participate/shoot a certain amount each year to keep the license for your gun. You also have to file and get approved for each individual gun you buy/own.

With all that said though, once you’ve gotten your first license and proved you can handle whatever firearm you got for either purpose it gets easier to get a second one, and then a third, as long as you have a valid enough reason to buy and own whatever gun you’re after.

Most people just start with a .22 and go up from there if it is for sports, or buy a shotgun or rifle for hunting.

As for self defense - it’s practically impossible to get a handgun for self protection purposes in any legal way, unless there are very special circumstances. Owning a gun for self protection is just not a thing people take seriously here, outside certain …groups.

As a sidenote tho, if you know where to look it’s not particularly hard to get a handgun if you want one, you just don’t want to get caught with one, and it’s also not completely trivial to get decent ammo. A black market Glock goes for around 500€ afaik.

Like I said, I agree with you in principle, but like I also mentioned, Finland is very conservative with certain things. This is one of them. I haven’t been shooting for a long time due to medical reasons, so some of this might be out of date. Maybe someone more involved please correct me if I got something wrong.

Finland is up there on weapons per person in Europe, but it is both expensive and complicated to get that first license. It does get easier the more you are into it, but following all the laws to the letter is, again, expensive as hell.

Meanwhile practically every fighting aged male has had some time on the range and weapon safety drilled into them during their conscription, although some more so than others. It might be an old system, but it works for us. Can’t really see it working in the US, tho, for obvious reasons.

Is it practical? Not really. Do we have a lot of mass shootings? Nope.

Definitely, who knows what those degenerates are into during the winter months.

Jokes aside, my mother tongue is Swedish but I was born in Finland. I’ve lived in both countries and speak both languages and I prefer Finland by far. Swedes are just… all up in your business all the time. In Finland privacy is preferred, mostly.