The US is an imperialist hypocrite of a country. Like that is just a damn fact. As you point out though, the issues leftists, not in these spaces, have with places like hexbear, and ml, is the fact that they back authoritarian regimes like China. China who is in the process of the US playbook of economic imperialism with their BRI. They are committing a genocide, they are exploiting much poorer countries, to hold them in economic dependency, and they are discussing annexing land they do not own any longer, and haven’t for a long time now. No I am not talking about Taiwan.

They are making so many similar moves to the US post WWII, and have an economy that is dependent on allowing capitalism, to the point that they have a billionaire class second only to the US. While the US is growing its police/surveillance state, China is leagues ahead on that one. The big thing China doesn’t have, is something similar to the massive global infrastructure the US developed to be able to deploy, and supply, its military in a time frame measured in hours. China is trying to develop something along these lines, but it has the US/NATO super structure all ready in place, it will have to, at least partially, displace. This will not be easy.

This person is saying Putin wants the territory back, not the government system. They even say the statement was hyperbolic.

don’t forget capitalism, capitalism is the real religion, and the dollar is it’s icon.

yup, heresy is a exactly how it is treated.

Decades of calling everything you don’t like, and any government support, communism, I guess.

Even if you hate communism, calling the EU socialist is hilarious. Seems a lot of people in this thread have never even read a basic dictionary definition for socialism. I am surprised the people replying to you even know there is supposed to be a difference between socialism and communism.

What you are describing with meat is what happens not long after eating too much. In fact, other than lactose intolerance, it is rare to have issues that are not due to eating too much. Sure, there is a disease you can get from ticks, that can make you unable to process a protein, found in all animal products. Friend of mine has it. However, rare. Far more people have type one diabetes precluding them from eating a bunch of vegan friendly food.

That vast majority of people have bad reactions to hurting others though.

Except that most people get a negative physical response from hurting other people, where as very few get one from eating meat, cheese, and eggs. You have reduced something very, very, complex to an absurd degree to make your argument, in order to say talking about it is just excusing behavior. So have fun with unrealistically simplified world. You won’t be accomplishing your goal living there, though.

Have you ever petitioned your local legislators, or even contacted them? That is a starting point. You also search out what political initiatives are local to you, what political organizations are, and you look for ones already working for things that would benefit men. Things like groups pushing for better coverage of mental health care, groups that work to get popular media to discuss mental health, and work for better media representation of mental health care. There are plenty of these, and if none seem to be working for men’s interests, since you joined, you now have a opening to present data to get them to do so, etc. Everyone who wasn’t already a public figure, when the went on youtube, was in the same position. You could look for youtubers who are already doing just this, like for real, and not just grifting manosphere stuff, and push their channel to places.
Fuck, find channels that discuss mens’ issues, and mental health, in a real way, and go push them in manosphere places.

There is a lot you can. You have to take the initiative, you have to figure out what is out there, you have to figure out how to interact with them, etc. It’s not easy.

Are you trying to say that it is impossible to change?

Yeah no fucking shit. I was saying that this is a hurdle to getting the population at large to do something better. I didn’t say you couldn’t get nutrients without animals, I didn’t say it was better than a vegan diet, I said we are wired to have a strong response to smelling, and tasting it. We have a similar response to bread. It would also be hard to convince most people to not eat bread. I did not say we can’t, or shouldn’t, or what the fuck ever you imagined my comments said, move to a vegan dietary system.

Holy shit, putting words in my mouth. God damn, can’t even discuss things that make it difficult to persuade the general population to change, something we need to understand, if you really want to get to a point where no animals are used for food, with some vegans. Because clearly ethical concerns for animal welfare, and the sustainability of human life on earth, aren’t enough of an argument.

I didn’t say only by men, there is more comments for context to that statement you are leaving out, I said men have had most of the control through out history, so they have, by far, the greatest influence

There is a lot of misandry in conservatism, and liberalism, and leftism. However, the root for it differs from conservatism, and the other two position. While it isn’t a huge talking point, I wouldn’t say it is not something that is really ignored. Maybe it is so in “pop” leftist media? Like breadtube type stuff?

I wasn’t trying to imply that men’s spaces, on various fora, were the only ones with bad behavior. I was pointing out that, when a lot of these places were shut down, a lot of them cried misandry because x misandrist forum is still up. However, when you look at the situation, it wasn’t the misogynistic conversation that got them banned, it was the actions they coordinated on their fora. I have also seen a number of misandrist spaces get shut down too. Again though, it was because they refused to stop bad actions on their forum, and moderate it out.

Yes liberals, and leftists, should know better. Unfortunately you are broaching a subject with A LOT of strong emotional value to it. It is awful that there are, practically, no support groups for male victims of rape, and, even though there is often no indicator it is only for women, they are pushed out of those places because a lot of those women, straight up, are afraid of men. Men have traumatized them to the point where they cannot feel safe around them, and/or get a visceral reaction to a strange man being there. And yes, there is a lot of resentment in these communities towards men. They are mentally, and often physically, scarred by the actions of men. It isn’t fair, but these emotions, trauma responses, etc. are not rational. They are real though, and they are exceedingly difficult to deal with. It is actually very difficult for them to truly view men as, mostly, decent human beings, because of trauma. Especially so because men are responsible for damn near all sexual violence, and homicide.

This isn’t easy. There are no clear ways to deal with this situation. However, men are the root cause of most of it. As you have pointed out, the men higher on the hierarchy are incentivized, in many ways, to maintain this status quo. That is a class conflict situation, between those lower on the hierarchy, and the men who are in control. As more women come into power, both in government, and in the commercial/industrial world, things will change. Exactly how is yet to be seen.

I am not arguing that it is good, better, etc because it is natural though. I am saying we , over ~750k years, evolved to have a strong natural reaction to indicators of things that are calorie dense, and maybe protein/nutrient dense. This makes it harder to persuade people to the better option of veganism. It isn’t the only factor, but it is definitely one.

You have to blame the men in charge, but also yourself, your upbringing, and realize you need to work on personal betterment just as much as trying to help other men. Real help, not just creating safe spaces to bitch about chads, and hate on women. Simply creating a place to support men, with actual counseling in mind, that diverts from just blaming women, will actually make things better, demographically. This social capital idea you have isn’t the all encompassing thing you think it is. I have seen very meh looking men, who were fucking homeless, and jobless, in relationships with women. Having support groups, that are just not echo chambers of hate, and instead are implementing counseling methods, that certified people use, that you have researched yourself (do not call yourself a councilor, or claim any professional expertise, diagnosis, etc. just offer as help, man to man, with the increased knowledge) will, broadly, increase other men’s sense of self. This will increase their personal confidence. This will lead to personal betterment. Then you push to branch out.

The idea that men need serious fucking help is already out there. Has been for a good while. It is slowly manifesting into society being more accepting of seeking mental health care, men processing their emotions, etc. Like I said, it is slow, but it is happening. If you are so inclined, do real research into the problems men face in society, like academic research, there is a lot out there to read through, and write a book. Maybe start a podcast, or YT channel. Sure you might not get anywere, but you got stuff out there, in the collective space, for others to see. Which is orders of magnitude more than any MRA, redpill, or incel community has done. Those communities just make the situation worse. They blame women, and even when they discuss men in power enforcing this, they just go “well this is a monumental task to change. Instead I will just stew, in this toxic echo chamber.” While they are just making people advocating for reform for the betterment of men look bad. Look for people who want to publicly advocate reform. From the soap box, and maybe, eventually, to the larger public domain.

I just wanted specified examples so that I could look them up.

In the city I used to live in, in the early 2000s, there was a big thing when a video of a men’s support group, for mental health, came out where the organizer was on a very misogynistic rant. This place also had limited shelter for men who were homeless due to things like divorce. Soon after it got shut down. Not long after that, a video of a women’s support group, for rape victims, came out, and it had members there going on similar rants towards men. So there was a heap of shit about it, and that group lost the lease to the space they used, and no one else would let them in. It was very much pushed as “you shut down the men, you need to shut down the women” thing.

Few months later the guy on the tape, along with like 1/3 of the people associated with that group, at that time, were indicted for a variety of crimes. Namely the organized stalking, and harassment of women. Mostly ex’s of the members, but some others for different reasons. Most of them were convicted. This is why it was shut down. Not because of the tape. So the women’s support group was targeted, and pushed out, because people believe they were getting quid pro quo for the men’s group. Only for it to show it was organized, criminal, behavior that got it shut down, not their misogyny. So, in the end, these women lost their space because of a far lesser wrong, in the name of equality.

Also, I hear a lot about how men’s online spaces are shut down more than women’s. Both being bigoted towards the other. However, when I looked into the post discussing them getting shut-down it was always because they were doing something extra, like brigading other places, stalking, and harassing, other women on the site, and posting lots of public calls for illegal activities. They generally given more than one chance to snuff that shit out too, they just didn’t. Where as most of the awful femcel kinda places either didn’t that far, didn’t organize like that on their space, or were warned and then the mods started shutting that shit down.

So I always have my suspicions with this topic. Not that it hasn’t happened, as you say, but, the majority I have seen, weren’t shutdown for such simple reasons. Though they all had people crying about how they got shut down for misogyny, yet x place with femcels didn’t.

Can you give me specific instances so that I may scrutinize the situations?

Obviously, however that doesn’t make it not a problem with men. We still need a collective introspection, and course correction.

Well, if she gets the hyper conservative, very old school, way of doing things, that she wants, you wont have to worry about seeing, or hearing, her again. She will be in the house, and not be allowed to be in the government. I mean she won’t even be able to vote.

Yeah, given the state of hydrogen fuel cells it isn’t gonna work out, as of now. Even then, there are already better alternatives. But yes, everywhere that isn’t industry propaganda, discusses it as one, of numerous, bridges to what will hopefully be industrial scale power storage batteries. It isn’t being pitched the only one, just that is has qualities that make it more useful for a number of cases, than other bridges that we will need.