Do you have some factual evidence to refute it?

By Gods, that is an official document from what is supposed to be an oversight committee? It reads like a biased propaganda sheet with no references and spelling mistakes everywhere.

I see it says 8 million “migrant encounters” yet there is no source for that figure stated (only numerous other reports from the same committee). Is it 8 million different people? Did they all come in this year? Who is reporting the figure?

Also I’d like to know the definition of a “migrant encounter”. That doesn’t even state they are illegal migrants, or that there was anything illegal about the encounter. Who are they encountering?

Fact check: what are the numbers on “ridiculously high levels”?

Well how do you combat that if you are in a household or shared network with others who aren’t privacy conscious?

I had considered that, but that would mean they are collating and amalgamating data coming from a single IP, which is almost as bad as listening to my microphone. Both are data gathering without my permission.

I’m not so sure. I’m interested in this thread because I had a recent issue like this. I barely use Instagram, hadn’t booted the app for a month or something, only have it to support my SO’s art account. Never comment/DM, just likes. Had a lengthy in person conversation about tattoos and the idea of getting them at current location. I didnt do any searches on my phone or any other device for that matter. Don’t have any tattoos, or ever look at that content on insta (only follow art and wildlife photography accounts). Booted up Instagram that day and was getting purely adverts for local tattoos studios on my feed. Checked my permissions, all disabled. The only explanation I have is that it’s somehow still listening. That can’t possibly be a coincidence.

Idaho? I was expecting Philly. The guy looks like Mac.

Looks interesting, but sounds like it is not really set up to be the competitive shooter it wants to be and might just be a cash grab. The change from having steam traded skins to non tradable skin packs is a particular red flag.

Love me some Science Data. Much better than that Normie Data you get everywhere.

Nice range of colours!

I’m so annoyed at the timing of this, I’m in a place far enough north to get decent views of it in winter (but it is always cloudy). Right now we don’t get full night so at 1am, the peak of darkness, it wasn’t super visible.

That’s fair enough. I don’t really know much about the Roku TV enshittification thing other than snippets I’ve read on here.

I’m just trying to understand why an external device would be any better (for those who still have a working TV that is). Most are made by the same type of companies who make the Smart TVs. The Walmart ONN device for example, mentioned elsewhere in the thread as a great alternative, is literally a Roku device. Forgive me for not getting it.

I’m the one getting aggressive? I think you need to read the whole thread.

So let me get this straight, I should not connect my TV of any brand to the Internet for fear they might do something that Roku did? If Roku are trailblazers, why do you think other companies selling streaming boxes won’t also go down that path?

Why are streaming boxes safe but not Smart TVs?

Why do you think Roku will care that you won’t tolerate them if you are and never were going to be a customer?

Moving the goalposts

Absolutely ridiculous. This whole thread is about reasons to use it over the native TV. I’m honestly interested. I’ve seen no solid reasoning. [Ignoring that this was a reply to your snark that I can get it delivered instead of “going out” to get one when I was actually asking why I should and you knew I was]

It really just seems like you’re intentionally ignoring my answers

You’re the one ignoring me! I asked if you’re talking “like a Chromecast” because I have one of those and if that is the kind of device you’re talking about, I can compare 3 different methods of watching anything on my TV that are better in every way.

I don’t care to go and buy another similar device without a good reason, and I was simply interested in what the landscape looks like right now.

No the conversation was to explain why an external device would be better than a native device. Nobody seems to be able to explain that.

I would honestly be interested in some performance comparisons between say Samsung TV UI and that of various streaming boxes, but all I can find is streaming boxes being compared against one another.

Roku has already begun

But I don’t have a Roku TV… someone in here even suggested a Roku streaming device would be better but that makes zero sense.

It’s $20 and you can order it and have it delivered to your door.

Yeah, if there was a reason to buy it.

I am being very explicit.

About the Roku injection of ads and anti-consumerism. Why would buying a streaming device made by another corporation be any better.

…okay, go for it?

I think our wires got crossed, I was asking you for evidence.

I kind of get the gist of what you’re saying. But I just wanted to understand why there’s a “doom and gloom, down with all Smart TVs” attitude, when a lot of the streaming boxes are still made my these mega corps and could potentially have the same issues.

If it’s about more than privacy. Please enlighten me. My whole point is that no-one wants to go out and buy an extra device to perform the same function as the TV they already have with vague hand wavy warnings. If it’s true peril, you’ll be able to explain why.

To believe you all I would need is like, a YouTube video of someone booting the TV and the device up. Does it need multiple remotes? If so it’s definitely slower. Are we talking Chromecast type dongle? If so, I used one of those on the TV before my Smart TV (purely because there was an app I needed that wasn’t available on Xbox). It was slower, less reliable, worse quality and more of a chore than the Xbox, which in turn is much slower than my current TV.

If you buy a proper streaming device instead of an XBOX you will have an identical experience as you would just using your TV.

Got it, so I don’t need to buy a seperate streaming device.

I get where you’re coming from with the privacy aspects and whatnot, but I very much doubt that a seperate streaming box will get me a better experience than turning on my TV and having Netflix booted in 3 seconds.

I don’t understand. I’m telling you the TV is faster and higher quality than the Xbox. I thought we were all shitting on Roku lately, why would I but a Roku device to daisy chain it into my system?

I pretty much have always had an Xbox connected to every TV I’ve had, but ever since owning a Smart TV, with the streaming apps are all there the moment you turn on the TV, why would I add an extra level of booting up, signing in and starting the app on my Xbox (which will then probably run worse and lower quality than my native TV app)?

I’m not sure about that. Whenever I’ve used my PC to stream to my TV it’s been less responsive and much slower. Unless I go for the super long hdmi cable to my gaming PC, but that’s just a faff.

I guess it varies greatly by TV though. My Samsung is super fast, but have recently had the misfortune of using a Philips which has similar functionality but is horrendously slow. I know nothing about Roku TV other than the kerfuffle about ads, but assume they are a bit shitty.