Nothing good, but nothing surprising.

I don’t at all understand how you got your definition of “liberal”. I think anyone who could conceivably be called a “tankie” would bristle at being called liberal.

Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on the rights of the individual, liberty, consent of the governed, political equality, right to private property and equality before the law.[1][2] Liberals espouse various and often mutually warring views depending on their understanding of these principles but generally support private property, market economies, individual rights (including civil rights and human rights), liberal democracy, secularism, rule of law, economic and political freedom, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of assembly, and freedom of religion.[3] Liberalism is frequently cited as the dominant ideology of modern history.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism

Both of our American parties are liberals. However, most Americans use the word to mean “progressive”.

I think “Leftist” starts at anti-capitalism and goes from there. I half jokingly say a progressive is someone who thinks the system is broken and must be fixed. A Leftist is someone who thinks the system is working exactly as intended and must be destroyed.

Honestly, we probably know everything we could learn from a dead hippo carcass.

why aren’t you guys screaming?

I screamed when Bush won a second term. I screamed when Trump won his first term. The American people can’t really let me down any further than they already have.

Do you mean rioting? The guy even won the popular vote, possibly fair and square. Are you under the impression that there is some action we can take at this point to improve the situation?

because people couldn’t get no injustice, they stayed home

That’s not a valid interpretation of the situation. Millions of people who voted for Biden did not come out for Kamala. There’ll be a lot of people trying to discern why and you probably won’t like my guess, but it’s too early to really have good information. Exit polls said only about 10 percent of people cared about Gaza at all. This idea of progressives not voting, sending the election to Trump doesn’t hold water at all. Dems first instinct is to punch left. I hope they learn a better lesson from this loss.

People who don’t vote aren’t hanging out on Lemmy talking about politics. All of the vitriol from Democrats is even more misplaced than usual. This outcome was pretty much what I thought would happen, but when I talk about how Dem decisions aren’t exciting voters, the response is to admonish me to vote, missing the point entirely.

it’s broken deliberately by one side to suit them,

Refusing to admit the part the Dems play is part of the problem as well. We can’t keep doing the same thing we’ve always done, and if we don’t learn from this we are truly doomed.

That’s fair and I respect your decision.

I was excited about Obama. For whatever reason I thought he’d be a lot more progressive than he ended up being.

I phone banked for Clinton. Was never a fan, but I agree that Trump was/is uniquely dangerous.

I voted for Biden. He was explicitly picked to be the conservative balance to the liberal firebrand, Obama (😬), but hey vote Blue no matter who, right?

The counterpoint to this thinking, for me: Where does this end? Do I stick it out until the next “unimportant” Presidential election? At what point am I just enabling the Dems to run rightward to pick up imaginary centrist Republicans while ignoring the left and the working class?

I doubt the DNC will learn their lesson from this election. I hoped they’d learn from a win, but I pray they take this loss to heart. The idea that Republicans somehow convinced people that they’re the party of unions and the working class is laughable, but if they could do that, that says Dems aren’t making the difference in people’s lives that they should be.

I voted for the Unity party largely to make this point. I live in Colorado. That’s “shooting myself in the head”?

I heard someone say “Well what if so many voters vote third party that they lose the state?” In this scenario…if Colorado is even close…it’s a fantasy to think they’d still have Pennsylvania, Florida, Ohio, or Texas. There is no path to 270 that doesn’t involve Colorado being firmly blue enough that vote won’t change anything.

I respect the right of people in swing states to vote their conscience as well, but that’s obviously a different consideration. But the vitriol a lot of Dems have without even asking where someone lives is just weird.

This is meaningless though.

You said “a clear majority voted for Trump”. In fact: a majority of Americans didn’t vote for a fascist. That is a good thing.

Neither did a majority of Americans vote for a milquetoast centrist, but I don’t expect anyone to take a great deal of comfort or pain in that fact.

It is more difficult than a few years ago, especially if you don’t want to get sued or get a threatening letter from your ISP.

I would only torrent with a VPN and a private tracker. It’s certainly not difficult to learn, but absolutely requires some small amount of information to acquire.

Ah, I get it. Really interesting, thanks!

Cool! Are there different Finnish accents? Geographic, socioeconomic, or otherwise?

It’s so weird how often the people with all the power pretend that compromising with anyone else is the exact equivalent of herding you into camps.

I’m not sure if you’ve heard of the concept of “zoning”, but currently the law is the opposite: people are not allowed to build apartments or duplexes, row homes, etc, because residential areas only allow single family homes.

If you own a single family home, cool. Best wishes, all those things sound like fun activities and I hope you enjoy them. However, those of us who will never be able to afford a single home and don’t need one would like more condos to be built. Now explain how building a condo for me infringes upon your rights.