But we didn’t and weren’t

Deliberately of course, precisely to maintain ignorance, and keep the Overton window firmly on the right…

That doesn’t magically make democrats “the left” (E: and therefore doesn’t explain why they wouldn’t be fans of CNN, being centrists, at best) lmao

Your mistake is thinking democrats are “the left” lol

A lot of replies here ignoring the obvious - patriarchy, religion, and capitalism.

I’ll be honest, if you don’t have an understanding of how deeply these (along with white supremacy, cis heteronormativity, ablesim, classism) impact not only society at large, but our individual choices (or lack thereof), and it sounds like you don’t (E: among other reasons - the existence of feminism doesn’t negate the impacts of the aforementioned systems, if anything, it exists because those systems are still completely pervasive and need fighting against), I can’t really help at this point, there’s just too much to unpack and it’s not work I’m interested in doing for you.

As for your ulterior motives - the first is easy to resolve by opening a search engine and looking it up, the second absolutely makes you sound like a creep, and also provides a perfect demonstration of the kind of external pressure we face that more often than not compels us to cover up - we feel you “appreciating” our “pups” (aka your “male gaze” or simply you objectifying us. And no, trying to pull an “all genders sexualise” doesn’t change the fact that cis men are who predominantly harm women and others afab). And it’s fucking gross.

Maybe you should read my first reply again, this time try and actually listen to the experience of a person explaining to you the pressures they and others like them face from society that you never have, instead of dismissing it because it makes you uncomfortable to confront, and then invest some of your own time actually researching the topic, not of why people wear bras, but of how fundamentally social constructs impact society and all the individuals in it, and maybe you’ll start to get an idea of what the actual answer to your question is.

But I have a feeling you’re not interested in doing any of that, so I’ll just leave you with this - boobs don’t exist for you.

A lot of replies here ignoring the obvious - patriarchy, religion, and capitalism.

There are plenty of examples of societies past and present, for the vast majority of the time humans existed probably, where breasts are free to exist as they are. The people those breasts are attached to do all manner of work and activities without hinderance, or chafed nipples. Just like those with flat chests do.

The reason that in (especially our western) modern world we are expected to wear bras has to do with puritanism, shame, control, and profiteering from all of the above.

Comfort is categorically not a priority of the billion dollar bra industry, the trillion dollar advertising industry, nor those who demand we wear them to be “respectable”, lest we “excite” their, or their son’s, urges or “distract” them from their important manly duties (and if we don’t, and they attack us, it’d be our fault for not being “modest” enough and “asking for it”).

When we have all been socialised with these demands and expectations for centuries, they become so deeply ingrained, it’s really hard to separate from our own free will, and yet ask any group of people who wear bras what the best part of the day is, and they’ll tell you it’s taking it off.

And to be clear - this isn’t a judgment of anyone who wears a bra, I wear an underwire once in a blue moon which I hate, but am usually in a sports bra because I feel more comfortable with everything held in place (and also have nosy neighbours I’m not that friendly with), it’s about questioning why I feel more comfortable that way, and how much of that is natural vs manufactured by a society that demands I keep everything held in place, hidden (unless they’re “required” to sell something or entertain the mens), and forever impossibly youthful and perky.

Anyway, I’m stoned too and I tend to ramble, so I think I 'll leave it at that for now lol

Well yeah, don’t you know? Pregnancy is “wholesome” while sex is “dirty”, any relationship between the two is purely coincidental…

/s just in case

That’s a perfect example of what I meant, it’s cute and personal to your relationship, and leaves the other person room to choose something they’re comfortable with.

Personally I think the ring should be the least important part of a proposal (though I say this as someone who is not interested in getting one, and who also hates wearing rings lol)…

The proposal can still be a surprise, just think of a way to do it where going ring shopping together is the big surprise, rather than the ring itself (if they have a good sense of humour, maybe use a gummy ring or a mood ring, something really silly as a stand in, otherwise maybe a ring shaped “coupon”? Or some other symbolic token that would hold meaning to just the two of you?).

I’ve heard of those, but while I can see adblock working, if me just clicking “decline all” doesn’t actually decline the so called legitimate interests, I don’t quite trust that an extension doing it will, so for now I’d rather still make the call of whether I trust a site myself…

Omg, yes, that shit is enraging.

The “legitimate interests” are only legitimate for their and their advertisers data collecting, not your experience (never mind privacy and security). It’s just a scummy workaround to avoid regulation.

Even so called “necessary” cookies are often bloated with shit that isn’t really necessary (and often leave out necessary functions from where they belong and include them in a separate “functionality” category, where they can pile on extra trackers, especially social media ones).

The worst part is, that some “decline all” don’t decline these so called legitimate trackers, so I double check to make sure they are all deselected (sometimes it’s an “object to legitimate interests” other times you have to click through to the list and deselect them manually. If it’s one of the latter and it won’t let me deselect all at once, I leave the site. There isn’t any piece of information worth unticking hundreds of boxes for). (ETA: I’ve found that one of the worst offenders of this is fandom wiki sites, which is where breezewiki comes in and saves the day! If their search function doesn’t find what you’re looking for, try looking for the fandom you’re after + breezewiki on your search engine of choice and if it exists, it will come up)

Never trust companies to have anything but their own interests in mind.

This was a refreshingly positive exchange, thank you, I appreciate it!

That sucks. I had an issue at first with it only giving the option for android even though I’m on pc, but eventually I managed to get it right, I think there was another sub menu or something, I can’t remember exactly since it was a few months ago now… If that’s not it, I guess give some of the other options given here a try?

I got annoyed by something similar (E: also a google sign in pop up, in the same spot, though looks a little different than yours) not too long ago and found this worked:

https://support.google.com/accounts/thread/219332922?hl=en&msgid=222171998

I’m really glad you’ve found the information helpful, this kind of consideration and inclusion can only make a community stronger.

Just one more point I think I should have included: not all disabilities are visible - from autism to PoTS to chronic pain to mental illness, some people might look perfectly abled but actually face many barriers and challenges, so remember to include them too (and again, not that you would, but in general - don’t doubt or question someone’s disability, like questioning why someone who doesn’t “look disabled” parks in a disabled bay or uses the disabled toilets or can’t stand in a queue but needs to sit even if they look young and fit. Not being visible doesn’t mean whatever it is isn’t having a massive impact).

Anyway, I’ve rambled on enough, and you clearly get it, so I’ll end on a - solidarity, comrade!

Yeah, yeah, “not all”, only enough to make sure there isn’t even a hint of socialist influence left in the party. Also, he doesn’t have to personally have removed someone from the party, for his actions and the actions of those who would fall in line with his establishment backed agenda to affect members of the party being sabotaged out of the party or leaving because they were made to feel unwelcome. The few that are left are relegated to the back benches and left with no real power to speak of.

In this thread there is already evidence of his dirty, unethical, and down right bigoted tactics, you not being comfortable enough to confront it doesn’t change the reality - Labour under Starmer is a neoliberal party that is serving capitalists and the establishment, and doesn’t have a hint of socialism nor solidarity or concern for the working class left in it (because when it does prop up as enough of a threat to the status quo, the threat is removed by whatever means necessary, it’s not like he has to go far when he’s deliberately stacked the party with other bootlickers who easily tighten ranks against anyone they no longer want around).

Obviously they won’t because that same system put them in power

Yes

and is currently holding far-right at bay

No, they’re acting as an establishment backed placeholder while the right regroups in preparation for a surge even further right next elections (when they get to blame all of the countries problems on “lefties”). Also the far right has made pretty significant gains this election.

Either way though you’re right - he has no reason to fix the voting system. People really need to let this sink in - Starmer isn’t there for the good of the country or the people, but his own and that of the establishment.

Absolutely, in case anyone needed more proof that the guy is 100% dedicated to the establishment and furthering his own career, not working class, and definitely not otherwise marginalised people (sadly, many do, so spreading this kind of info far and wide is not only welcome, but necessary).

If you’re not from here, my issue isn’t with you, people aren’t obliged to know the politics of all countries (though wherever you are, something similar is likely happening - the Overton window is shifting to the right globally), it’s the masses of locals who buy in to the idea that Starmer is a leftist that I find frustrating…

Corbyn was also at the helm of a horrible Labour defeat in 2019.

Corbyn lost by less than 3 million votes (E: in spite of a brutal years-long smear campaign literally designating him “unelectable”). A “horrible defeat” is the narrative the neoliberal media wants you to follow because it makes him seems like less of a threat to the establishment than he really was.

E: it’s a bit late and I doubt anyone will see this now, but after seeing it just mentioned on tv I had to add that Starmer won with about a third of the votes, while Corbyn lost with just under half. So no matter how the media or those who believe it try to twist things, and as if there’s really any doubt when you look at the reactions to each, but obviously it has to be said - Corbyn was demonstrably more popular than Starmer is.