Totally expect to see a sea of “Nazi Sympathizer” comments, but look. I don’t think we should be Doxxing anyone so that we don’t invite folks to Doxx us.
I don’t think this is radical, but apparently this opinion is somehow tantamount to being an actual Nazi in that thread.
I don’t wish to remain in a community that says that Doxxing is bad unless we disagree with the victim - and I think that the post’s continued existence communicates this. Sure, it’s a federated post and not from our community, but honestly, I think it should be removed from Beehaw. I’ve already removed it from my tucson.social instance since I’m in no mood to deal with retaliatory doxxing.
Post link - https://beehaw.org/post/10286519
To be clear, the Moderators have been removing the worst offending comments since the article itself doesn’t actually Dox anyone, but navigating to the source thread on lemmy.ml provides easy access to ALL the doxxed information. As such, I think the whole post should be removed and/or locked.
Update: Post has been removed - I have no further issues. As an aside - good lord Beehaw - I get it I’m a Nazi apparently. I’ll get out of your hair and delete my account later this evening. Sheesh.
“Apparently it is okay to Dox those we don’t like here.”
just so we’re clear here: not only is this obviously me speaking personally (which the screenshot illustrates)–and not only is this a position i’ll stand by absolutely–but i think this is also a circumstance where “objecting to doxing” is really silly. many of these people aren’t 4chan edgelords, they’re just aspiring terrorists. Midgard is widely believed to be associated with the Nordic Resistance Movement, which has a long history of criminality, violence, ethnic hatred, killing, and attempted terrorism. NRM in its own right has a wide array of connections with other violent, neo-Nazi organizations like Atomwaffen and the Azov Battalion. the supposedly objectionable article says as much.
i think it’s pretty understandable to want to publicize the names and addresses of people in the vicinity of or party to an organization like this for a wide variety of reasons, especially if you’re a group they might target! but, and this is another thing that makes this a rather bizarre hill to die on: the article being objected to also didn’t do that. it did not provide a link to any of the information in question, it just reported on it being posted and its significance. this is not “doxing”, this is just journalism about a doxing event. add to this not being posted on Beehaw (i.e., something we’re not even directly responsible for from a moderation perspective), and this seems like a wildly overblown reaction to a pretty banal article reporting on an action that i think is extremely morally and socially defensible.
I never claimed the article to do that. I claimed that despite the article not doxing anybody that the comments in the thread were.
And It was just one of many issues with the thread. It was very much. Also a hostile and toxic place to be. It stood head and shoulders over other similarly distasteful posts which is why I had issue with it.
As on Reddit, no one really cares about the not so popular posts. But this post was top of the all feed drawing in more distasteful discourse.
My position is that doxing is a form of violence. Violence in this definition is anything that restricts your choices. (Source: Philosophy Tube). Thus doxxing is violence since it forces one to move, react, or retaliate in response to the leaked information.
It is never acceptable to me - full stop.
The only entity with “Doxxing” permissions are government agencies with robust oversight such that this violence is only used when it’s the lesser evil over not.
okay but this just invites the obvious question:[1] why is it bad to do violence against a group of people who are disproportionately either Neo-Nazi terrorists or people who sympathize with/fund Neo-Nazi terrorists? let’s be clear, this is an unambiguously Neo-Nazi storefront that has been compromised, and its founders are again widely believed to be connected to a group whose membership engages in constant acts of violence and aspires to do terrorism against minority groups. there are really no “innocent people” being theoretically caught in the crossfire here.[2] i will once again restate that i think “being doxed” is quite a tame social prescription to adhering to an openly genocidal ideology.
even if we don’t debate the merits of this definition, which i think you could because i think this is a very dubiously workable definition of violence ↩︎
and even so, the group which compromised the data is offering to make amends with people who have been compromised and expunge them from the lists ↩︎