You suggest that you want to go back to a time before policing existed
No, I am pointing out that police are not some integral part of human social systems.
We certainly had a form of policing for thousands of years
Yes, which were not the ones we have now.
Are you expecting these citizen helpers to do that? What qualifications are you offering here?
Do you know that citizens already can make arrests? What do you mean by “qualifications”?
The idea that one of your examples is hiring private security comes from a place of privilege.
No, I am making the point that “protecting people” is not synonymous with “modern nation-state authority” like you seem to be suggesting, not saying “let them hire guards”. Was that seriously your takeaway from what I wrote? The whole point is that you can have people protecting other people, without the people doing the protecting being police.
You complain about police not turning up for 45 minutes
I didn’t complain about that, I stated that it is the current reality for people in many rural/ isolated places, so police are already effectively absent the role of protecting them. They must and do protect themselves already. Your ignorance of how rural communities operate, while simultaneously trying to make claims about their vulnerability without police, is astounding.
turn up immediately and fight crime
Not anymore than police already don’t, which is my point. Neighbors are who you call to come help after the immediate emergency is done. The immediate emergency you handle yourself. You call the police when it’s wrapped up, to cover yourself. Police aren’t EMTs. Anything that a 2-person police unit can do , you and 1 other person can as well, and you can do it immediately.
You seem to have an odd idea of what a police force is.
I’m very interested in what you think a police force is, because it sounds far more to me like you’re the one speaking from a place of privilege if you think they’re benign protectors of the citizenry.
Then you start going on about US police as if that’s the discussion here.
I’m sorry, was the article in relation to somewhere other than the US? No? Cool!
The person (liv) who commented did not ask what is being advocated from a non-US perspective, they asked what is being advocated in the article, because them coming from a non-US perspective made it difficult for them to understand the article’s suggestion.
You’re the one demanding we discuss this with a blind eye to the US.
But this makes me very interested to hear what part of police in your country (or any non-US country) you think are fundamentally different than what I’ve stated as it relates to the US?
There are a few countries where I think there are genuinely different dynamics with the police, but they’re not in Europe.
No, I am pointing out that police are not some integral part of human social systems.
Yes, which were not the ones we have now.
Do you know that citizens already can make arrests? What do you mean by “qualifications”?
No, I am making the point that “protecting people” is not synonymous with “modern nation-state authority” like you seem to be suggesting, not saying “let them hire guards”. Was that seriously your takeaway from what I wrote? The whole point is that you can have people protecting other people, without the people doing the protecting being police.
I didn’t complain about that, I stated that it is the current reality for people in many rural/ isolated places, so police are already effectively absent the role of protecting them. They must and do protect themselves already. Your ignorance of how rural communities operate, while simultaneously trying to make claims about their vulnerability without police, is astounding.
Not anymore than police already don’t, which is my point. Neighbors are who you call to come help after the immediate emergency is done. The immediate emergency you handle yourself. You call the police when it’s wrapped up, to cover yourself. Police aren’t EMTs. Anything that a 2-person police unit can do , you and 1 other person can as well, and you can do it immediately.
I’m very interested in what you think a police force is, because it sounds far more to me like you’re the one speaking from a place of privilege if you think they’re benign protectors of the citizenry.
I’m sorry, was the article in relation to somewhere other than the US? No? Cool!
This best summarizes this discussion.
PS:
You’re in a thread started by someone clearly stating they don’t live in the US, so you tell us who went out of context where.
The person (liv) who commented did not ask what is being advocated from a non-US perspective, they asked what is being advocated in the article, because them coming from a non-US perspective made it difficult for them to understand the article’s suggestion.
You’re the one demanding we discuss this with a blind eye to the US.
But this makes me very interested to hear what part of police in your country (or any non-US country) you think are fundamentally different than what I’ve stated as it relates to the US?
There are a few countries where I think there are genuinely different dynamics with the police, but they’re not in Europe.