I recently switched my mail/domain from Google to name cheap. I’ve been keeping a critical eye on my junk mail as the spam filtering doesn’t seem as good.
I saw neat scam email from my own email adress. It was the usual “I am a hacker give me money” nonsense but the trick with them using my own email adress is pretty neat. I assume they’ve injected some sort of common replace string?
Just curious if anyone knows the trick here.
Update: followed the advice most of you have provided and spam mail has gone way down as a result. Leaving post here for the next poor sod who runs into these problems. Maybe Google will lead folks here instead of reddit.
Thank you kind strangers.
When you send an email to a mail server, you can set the “FROM” address to literally anything. The mail server does not care and forwards stuff on, as long as you’re authenticated. Anyone can run their own mail server anywhere that will dutifully just relay emails, which is what spammers often do. There are entries in DNS called SPF records (Sender Policy Framework) which mailservers use to validate on the receiving side that the FROM address coming from the mail server matches with a list of allowed mail servers IP address(es). If it doesn’t match it gets sent to spam, or outright rejected (depending on if the record says ~all or -all). It is often not ideal to reject any message that fails this check, because if you have some local system that runs its own mailserver and sends alert emails it might not necessarily match.
I see. I think this is that case. It was in the spam folder. So it sounds like the new mail service is doing all it can here.
I’d also gotten a few fake Amazon fliers form like “vape demon69 dot com” which somehow didn’t get marked as spam so I’ve been concerned that the junk prevention may really suck. But at least it seems to be marking the spoofed ones as junk.
Hey all, “that guy” chiming in.
You can set the “FROM” address to any string that meets the specifications of the “Address Specification” section of the relevant RFCs (5322 and 6854, maybe others). Which is SUPER FAR from “literally anything”.
I know this seems like some neck-beard bullshit, but we’re here answering the question for someone who clearly has little understanding of email internals. Hyperbole is bad in this context IMO.
If you’re running your own domain and mail server with everything validated via SPF and DKIM etc then this layer of spam filtering won’t do anything. Other spam filters like AI-based ones that look at the contents of message for spammy stuff need to take over after that point.
Fighting spam is constant cat-and-mouse battle and you’ll never truly get rid of all of it.
And you don’t even need SPF or AI to discard mails coming from the wrong mailserver. If you know the domain, you can do a lookup and see if the connecting mailserver is the one in the MX record. Check PTR records. At least throw away mail that’s coming from some random server and claims to come from your own domain. You should know who is supposed to be a mailserver for your addresses.
This isn’t really going to be accurate all the time. It is a totally reasonable configuration to use a mailserver not in the MX records. Lots of companies that send automated emails use a service like mailgun or sendgrid as a relay, which isn’t their MX server. It doesn’t come from their company’s mailserver. The only way to validate that is by adding mailgun/sendgrid as an include in the SPF record.
PTR records are very difficult to maintain for any accuracy since lots of companies use cloud providers and don’t bring their own IPs.
You’ll often miss things like “Your credit card expired” or “please change your password” or even “Here’s your monthly bill from the power company” emails.
I’ve tried and lots of providers want the PTR. I think Gmail is espectally strict when it comes to antispam, doing the DNS lookups and checking IP ranges. I forgot what gets you into the spam folder and what gets your mail rejected completely. You’re right with the MX record though. I think I misremembered whatever I configured in Postfix. SPF is the way for that.
But I just follow suit with the big providers and am very strict with the incoming mail. I need to look it up, but i think i refuse them if the mailserver doesn’t have any dns records at all. And if it sends something silly in the HELO. With mailchimp or mailinglists, isn’t the way to do it to set mailchimp in the envelope-from and your company into the from header? and then I can check at least that mailchimp this is a proper mailserver? If you don’t set it up properly, you kinda deserve your mail getting lost.
But I think now I know where we don’t understand each other. I just check if it’s a proper mailserver with the first few checks. That gets rid of >>50% of my spam immediately. I don’t use that to verify the mailserver is allowed to send mail for that specific domain. That’s a job for SPF later. It just needs to have anything. And that’s enough to weed out most of the spam, especially from hacked boxes and crude IPs from the far east.
One exception. I have a specific list with servers allowed to send mail from my own domain. This prevents phishing and impersonating people internally. Nobody except me is supposed to configure mailing campaigns or mailing lists anyway. But now that we’re speaking of it, I think I should get rid of that extra config and use SPF for that. I configured that years ago, anyways.
That’s obviously legit. Didn’t you know it’s illegal to lie on the internet?