Actually, they do.
Wayland is default in Ubuntu, Fedora, Arch, Debian and even the very conservative RedHat Enterprise Linux has deprecated X by this point.
If you look at it, the last three X releases have been a year apart at irregular intervals. No one is putting any effort into actually maintaining it beyond the absolute minimum.
For all intendeds and purposes, X can and should be considered abandon ware.
The term was coined by prominent X maintainers, including Adam Jackson who was project owner of the X graphical and window system. But sure, you can call it “feature complete and still maintained” if that makes you feel any better.
Besides, there is no one forcing you to switch to Wayland ever, you know. If you are happy with X, just stick with it.
I’m just annoyed by the apparent assumption from people promoting messages like this that Wayland is ready for desktop use when it’s not. It seems to give the impression that there aren’t things that have to be fixed. Like how DPI in Firefox is broken, or how MS Teams and other screen sharing apps don’t work.
I’ve wanted to adopt Wayland for years but still can’t. Claims like the OP makes it sound as if devs are out of touch with the reality of their users and that’s frustrating. If they abandon X and don’t fix the problems with Wayland then I’m screwed.
X being abandoned and being called abandonware can be said without any assumptions about Wayland. Unless a group of people steps up and actively maintains it, X is dying a little more every day.
Yes, there are things in Wayland that need to be fixed. There are also things in X that need to be fixed.
With Wayland, someone may actually be interested in fixing them.
Regarding screen share I only ever had problems using proprietary applications, which is nothing Wayland or anyone other that the vendor can do anything about.
In browsers or other FOSS applications, screen share works just fine.
These are all good points, but please note that I’m not contending whether Wayland can do anything about it. I’m saying it’s misleading (and possibly detrimental) to imply that end users can replace x11 with Wayland. If you look beyond the individual projects, the ecosystem does not function as a complete desktop environment in the way that x11 does.
Well, I guess “complete desktop environment” means different things to different people.
When it comes to gaming then sure, the gap in Wayland is probably larger than the gap in X or the gap in Linux gaming in general.
I have been using Wayland for quite a while now and last time I used it with a “complete desktop environment” like Gnome (which is not my daily driver), I found very few things lacking. In fact, the only thing I can come up with is window sharing of native Wayland windows from apps running in XWayland compatible mode. Given that, I would disagree with your assessment that Wayland driven DEs are not ready for wide spread use.
Actually, they do. Wayland is default in Ubuntu, Fedora, Arch, Debian and even the very conservative RedHat Enterprise Linux has deprecated X by this point. If you look at it, the last three X releases have been a year apart at irregular intervals. No one is putting any effort into actually maintaining it beyond the absolute minimum. For all intendeds and purposes, X can and should be considered abandon ware.
There’s a bit of a jump from “feature complete and still issuing maintenance releases” to “abandonware”.
The term was coined by prominent X maintainers, including Adam Jackson who was project owner of the X graphical and window system. But sure, you can call it “feature complete and still maintained” if that makes you feel any better.
Besides, there is no one forcing you to switch to Wayland ever, you know. If you are happy with X, just stick with it.
I’m just annoyed by the apparent assumption from people promoting messages like this that Wayland is ready for desktop use when it’s not. It seems to give the impression that there aren’t things that have to be fixed. Like how DPI in Firefox is broken, or how MS Teams and other screen sharing apps don’t work.
I’ve wanted to adopt Wayland for years but still can’t. Claims like the OP makes it sound as if devs are out of touch with the reality of their users and that’s frustrating. If they abandon X and don’t fix the problems with Wayland then I’m screwed.
X being abandoned and being called abandonware can be said without any assumptions about Wayland. Unless a group of people steps up and actively maintains it, X is dying a little more every day.
Yes, there are things in Wayland that need to be fixed. There are also things in X that need to be fixed. With Wayland, someone may actually be interested in fixing them.
Regarding screen share I only ever had problems using proprietary applications, which is nothing Wayland or anyone other that the vendor can do anything about. In browsers or other FOSS applications, screen share works just fine.
These are all good points, but please note that I’m not contending whether Wayland can do anything about it. I’m saying it’s misleading (and possibly detrimental) to imply that end users can replace x11 with Wayland. If you look beyond the individual projects, the ecosystem does not function as a complete desktop environment in the way that x11 does.
Well, I guess “complete desktop environment” means different things to different people.
When it comes to gaming then sure, the gap in Wayland is probably larger than the gap in X or the gap in Linux gaming in general.
I have been using Wayland for quite a while now and last time I used it with a “complete desktop environment” like Gnome (which is not my daily driver), I found very few things lacking. In fact, the only thing I can come up with is window sharing of native Wayland windows from apps running in XWayland compatible mode. Given that, I would disagree with your assessment that Wayland driven DEs are not ready for wide spread use.